October 23, 2006 by James.

Hi,

I am interested to know what the TDA view is regarding minimum NL raises in Tournaments.

Example:  Blinds 100/200.  Action Post Flop.

Player A bets 200, player B raises 200 to 400 total.  For player C to MINIMUM raise must he either:

1/ raise 400, making a total of 800 to go.

2/ raise 200, making a total of 600 to go.

I have seen both of these rules in various tournaments around the world and would like to know if the TDA has a definite position on this.

Thanks, James.

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October 23, 2006 by leanbody.

The tournament director did a lousy job at our tournament. He wasn’t even focused on that task because he was really focused on winning. There were five of us left in the tourney and (player A) was sleepy and told (player B) to play for her. The “one player per hand” rule didn’t even cross the mind of anyone. That’s when the tournament director should have made a ruling, but didn’t. The game was altered from then on. Later on in the game, (player B) was freezing (we were playing in the garage) and let another eliminated person (player C…a formidable opponent) take over. That’s when a little complaining started, yet we continued playing with (team ABC). This was another opportunity for the TD to step in, but he didn’t. The three-person “team” won the tournament. The tournament director has decided not to award any prize money to (team ABC) and not to advance “them” to the championship. However, someone needs to be declared a winner and sent to the championship tourney. In the best interest of the game and fairness to the remaining players, what’s the best way to proceed? Should we continue playing the tournament based on how everything was before the rule was first broken? (chip counts and blind levels as close to accuracy as possible) We’ll never know who would have actually won that night, but I think this is the most fair way to find out who would go on to the championship. Any ideas?

Posted in Chaos: Sloppy Mgmt of Tables & Tournament, Tournament Directors, Event Structure & Management, Dealer Errors, Bad Flops, Etc. | Print | 2 Comments »

October 22, 2006 by frenchflush.

Hello,

Here my question: while the dealer is throwing the second hole card to the players, one of them advance his hand to take his first hole card and this move make the second card hit the hand and finish face up. Because it’s not the fault of the dealer: must the card be changed or not?

Thank you to help,

FF 

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October 20, 2006 by crutonimo.

Player A leads out with a post flop bet of 200….Player B throws out 350 chips without announcing anything…Is this treated as a call…and the extra money is pushed backed to the bettor?..or is it a minraise and they are asked for 50 more in chips?  If Player B bet 300 or 250, would that make a difference on the ruling??

Thanks 

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October 15, 2006 by Danny McDonagh.

At Crown Casino, we are considering writing in the cash game rules that if a player announces fold out of turn, he will be held to this action in all circumstances.

Can see a number of reasons why a player may do this to gain an advantage.

One debateable occurrence is on a checking round if a player announces fold out of turn. If it is then checked around to him should the fold still apply.

Comments welcome.

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October 12, 2006 by crutonimo.

a card is dealt that lands in the players lap…the player picks up the card and places it back on the table…the player says he hasnt looked at either card…the dealer cannot say for sure if the player looked, or which card is which…whats the call?

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October 5, 2006 by cy_borg5.

I’d like to hear some comments from professional or experienced directors about Jamie Gold’s behavior during the World Series of Poker main event as depicted on ESPN the past couple of weeks.  I’ve heard many commentators say that the rule of thumb about discussing your hand is that you can lie about the contents of your hand that you cannot tell the truth.  Obviously on many occasions he told his opponents exactly the contents of his hand. 

He also obviously deliberately flashed a card beforehand was over is my understanding that if you deliberately show your cards your hand is not necessarily dead but you cannot commit any further action such as calling a raise. His opponent folded but it seems to me all the opponent would’ve had to do was reraise and Gold’s hand would’ve been dead.

Can someone comment on these issues?

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October 3, 2006 by frenchflush.

In a “high stackes poker” night D. Brunson bet 4500$ at the absolute same time than the player before him betting 4000$ … We can’t ear the explainations of the director (Robert Thomsen?) because he has no micro but he simply obliged Doyle to call at 4000$!

I’m surprised because (ROBERT’S RULE OF POKER) If you are called “out of turn” I tought the rule oblige you to make the move that you announced too early ONLY if no one of the players you missed BET, CALL or RAISE (in fact put additional money in the pot) before you! So because the player before him BET … I thought Doyle could change his mind in any direction. For me he could even RERAISE because the robert’s rule only forbit to ”reraise” (even if someone put additional money in the pot) if you “called” out of turn but says nothing about some one who “fold” (without throwing the cards) “check” or “bet”!

But maybe the simultaneous bet had been ruled ‘in turn” so it’s a wrong raise (4500 instead of minimum 8000) and so that’s why Doyle had to call at 4000 !?!

Any ideas?

PS: if we take the rule:

BETTING AND RAISING
10. Deliberately acting out of turn will not be tolerated. A player who checks out of turn may not bet or raise on the next turn to act. An action or verbal declaration out of turn may be ruled binding if there is no bet, call, or raise by an intervening player acting after the infraction has been committed. A player who has called out of turn may not change his wager to a raise under any circumstances.

So here are the points I’m not sure:

Point 1
A CHECK
B … (is missed by C)
C BET out of turn

Then finally:

B BET
C CAN RAISE!   (right?)
 
Point 2
A BET
B … (is missed by C)
C RAISE out of turn

Then finally:

B RAISE
C can RERAISE! (right?)
GG

If I got the rule spirit: if you played out of turn but did’nt want to ask the players for additionnal money in the pot (you checked or called but didn’t bet or raise) then you will never be allowed to raise at your normal turn whatever the circumstances! But if you bet or raise out of turn and someone you missed  re-open you rights (while betting or calling or raising) you can definitly raise or reraise at you normal turn!  

OOOOOOOF! (LOL)
 

GG 

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October 2, 2006 by c.cris.

Hi Everyone!

We are all exchanging our point of view about tournament rules, but what do you think about cash games? Do you apply nearly the same rules? Does any reference exist about that ?  

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