Doyle Brunson out of turn?

October 3, 2006 by frenchflush.

In a “high stackes poker” night D. Brunson bet 4500$ at the absolute same time than the player before him betting 4000$ … We can’t ear the explainations of the director (Robert Thomsen?) because he has no micro but he simply obliged Doyle to call at 4000$!

I’m surprised because (ROBERT’S RULE OF POKER) If you are called “out of turn” I tought the rule oblige you to make the move that you announced too early ONLY if no one of the players you missed BET, CALL or RAISE (in fact put additional money in the pot) before you! So because the player before him BET … I thought Doyle could change his mind in any direction. For me he could even RERAISE because the robert’s rule only forbit to ”reraise” (even if someone put additional money in the pot) if you “called” out of turn but says nothing about some one who “fold” (without throwing the cards) “check” or “bet”!

But maybe the simultaneous bet had been ruled ‘in turn” so it’s a wrong raise (4500 instead of minimum 8000) and so that’s why Doyle had to call at 4000 !?!

Any ideas?

PS: if we take the rule:

BETTING AND RAISING
10. Deliberately acting out of turn will not be tolerated. A player who checks out of turn may not bet or raise on the next turn to act. An action or verbal declaration out of turn may be ruled binding if there is no bet, call, or raise by an intervening player acting after the infraction has been committed. A player who has called out of turn may not change his wager to a raise under any circumstances.

So here are the points I’m not sure:

Point 1
A CHECK
B … (is missed by C)
C BET out of turn

Then finally:

B BET
C CAN RAISE!   (right?)
 
Point 2
A BET
B … (is missed by C)
C RAISE out of turn

Then finally:

B RAISE
C can RERAISE! (right?)
GG

If I got the rule spirit: if you played out of turn but did’nt want to ask the players for additionnal money in the pot (you checked or called but didn’t bet or raise) then you will never be allowed to raise at your normal turn whatever the circumstances! But if you bet or raise out of turn and someone you missed  re-open you rights (while betting or calling or raising) you can definitly raise or reraise at you normal turn!  

OOOOOOOF! (LOL)
 

GG 

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