May 31, 2007 by frenchflush.

With respect for thoses two persons: can someone give me the final rule about saveral players acting “in the dark” (before the next board card)?

For ex: 

3 players left after the flop:

A (1000 points) … B (6000 points) … C (6000 points)

A bets 300 … B calls … C calls … then immediatly (& still before the turn):

A says “all-in” (& push 1000 in) … B calls … C says “raise” (& push 2000 in) … B calls at 2000 !!! (ALL THAT BEFORE THE TURN!) !!!

WHAT IS AUTHORIZED? & WHAT IS BIDDING? 

GG

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May 28, 2007 by eman303.

All,

I have a situation here, but I’ve used this system once only and I have posted this situation already, but can not find it anywhere, so if it is a repeat, please forgive.

Anyways, I’m going to give the Readers Digest version only.

Player UTG is chip leader and says “All in” pushes all his chips forward.  Player UTG decides to put his cards by the left of his chips unprotected.  Everyone folds and mucks accordingly, but at a rather fast pace.  The dealer sweeps up all the cards and accidentally sweeps up player UTG’s cards also and by now the cards are totally gone and mixed up with the muck.  The TD is standing in front of the table and watches everything unfold.  TD then says to complete the action.  Everyone folds including the button, SB, and BB.  Base on the Integrity of the game, what should the TD do about this satiation? And what call should be made?   

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May 28, 2007 by cpa-poker.

A player starts the tournament in the small blind.  The player is not at the table for the first two or three hands.  When he arrives he realizes he was small blinded twice, it was also determined the big blind posted twice (but he won a hand) and the button didn’t move. 
What should be done for the guy that was the small blind twice?  Should he be just short the blind, or should an extra chip be put in to play and gave to him by the TD?

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May 28, 2007 by Sarah Mills.

Hi all this is the first time I’ve written a post so hopefully it will be easy to understand.

The situation: 3 players left in a game with a substansial prize for a first place finish. Small blind says “All in, 23 on top” Big Blind says call and proceeds to put 2300 in the pot. Dealer has already folded. The flop is turned over before small blind realizes that big blind only put 2300 in the middle. The raise was actually 23,000, which had big blind covered and would have put him out if he lost.

BB said he would not have called had known the correct amount. My decision was for BB to lose the 2300 but not the rest of his stack. SB agrees with this and takes the pot.

The dealer, who as mentioned, was already out of the hand, disagrees very strongly with this decision, as he may have been one person closer to first place. He was very vocal about it before I had to tell him to back off. Once SB hears the dealers disagreement, he changes him opinion and asks for the whole stack. By this time all the cards are dead and chips have been mixed in all over the place. I told SM he couldn’t change his mind and to get back to playing cards.

What would you have done?

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May 23, 2007 by frenchflush.

After the flop A & B are heads up:

A: 200

B: 200 (call)

A: ALL IN !?! (meaning it’s what he’s gonna do after the turn!) 

My decision: I refuse this, put the turn and ask the player to play again (and give him a warning for playing “out of turn”!).

Your opinion? 

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May 23, 2007 by frenchflush.

Hello,

A pot had been awarded as a split between 2 players after the river and multiples bets & raises from a lots of players.

One of the two winner (who was all-in) claims that he didn’t received the good amount. The other winner (a very big stack) allready mixed his chips and say that the split was correct! The all-in player is getting mad about that … Can the TD or Dealer do something or is it over?

The question could also be: until what moment can you contest a count of the chips awarded to a player by the dealer?

GG 

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May 23, 2007 by frenchflush.

Hello, here is what happened:

A dealer - B is SB - C is BB - D is UTG

B & C are eliminated together during this hand

B & C chairs are the only free places at this table

X is coming at the table from a broken table

Where do you sit X and how are the blinds?

I decided:

D is BB

C chair stay free (no SB)

X sit on B chair and have the button

A is cut-off

& next turn:

E is BB

D is SB

C is free with the button

X is cut-off

The question could be more simple: when SB & Bouton places are the only free: where do you place an incoming player?

GG 

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May 20, 2007 by leea1001.

hi,my first post,bare with me..2 players in the hand bets pre-flop and checked down on turn and river.the cards are turned over 1 player shows ace high and is awarded the pot and all cards including flop are in dealers hand.when someone points out the other player actually has a pair of 4’s(which everyone has missed…)

the next hand has not been started,but the cards are all mixed in the dealers hand,the chips are heading into the ace high chips,but are retrievable…what i gather is a winning hand cannot be killed………so does that mean the pair of 4s take the stack or because the cards cannot be re-displayed the ace high gets it……

 please help

thanks

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May 16, 2007 by snb.ike.

My first post, hopefully in an acceptable format that is understandable.

First, it should be noted that this is the action as I was able to reconstruct it. I didn’t witness the entire chain of events. This took place in a bar league where the players deal themselves, and player experience varies greatly.

Late in a MTT. One player goes all in and gets two callers. The active players check the flop and turn. Active player A, the first to act, checks the river. As active player B is putting a bet out, the all in player exposed his hole cards thinking action was completed. Active player A mucks his hand. Active player B argued that since the all in player exposed his cards previous to action being complete his hand was considered dead (actually the player said his hand was mucked), and therefore should be split between the two active players.

My ruling was that 1)since active player A mucked his hand he was ineligible from any part of the pot, and 2)the all in player’s exposure of his hand previous to the completion of action did not make it dead. As the all in player had a better hand than player B I awarded him the pot.

Player B felt very strongly that he was correct however I stood by my decision and still think that I am correct, but I also know that I am human. I looked through robert’s rules but didn’t see anything that specifically addressed the situation. I would appreciate any comments on my ruling.

Thanks.

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May 15, 2007 by frenchflush.

Hello,

I’m actually the TD of a French National Tournament (The “FPT” 15 free satellites in 15 towns & the final game with 100 000 euros of pricepool).

During a 400 players satelite with 15 players left for only 14 places: one of my dealers made an error that could have killed a player a make the tournament finish so sadly:

An average stack goes all in … a big stack calls and shows JJ … the other player look for his cards and realise that the dealer killed them (the dealer aggree)! … the player says he had ATs and the dealer look in the muck and find it quite near the top … they call me … I decided my tournament could’nt finish that way … I accept to give back the ATs to that player but give him a warning … the board give an Ace & victory to the ATs who will later be part of the 14 winners !!!

Your opinion?

I just regret not to have given the choice to the other player (JJ): to play the hand (has I did) or to make it a tie!

No?

GG 

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