November 22, 2007 by Sonny.

This situation occurred recently in one of my games. Rather than just spout off the rule, I went to look into Robert’s Rules, and the TDA rules, to see if it was actually written anywhere, in procedures, or rules.

 As happens many times, players try to announce rules, that they “think” are correct, or rules that they use in their home games. In this situation, a player CLEARLY announces RAISE and then puts in an amount of the bet he is facing. At the time, it was BB. So he puts in 200, goes back and puts in another 1000 making it 1200 to go. However, another player asks what he is doing. That player thinks that since he said raise, and then matched the bet, he can only min raise to 400. I was called, and ruled that the player who announced raise, can match the bet, and THEN in one motion, or by verbally announcing it, make his raise. The other player disagreed, and said that is not a rule anywhere.

As I looked through the rules, I could not find a clear indication either way.  In my understanding, a player who is raising, can match the bet he/she is facing, and THEN raise in one motion or verbally state it. I have always used this as my method, any help here?

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November 22, 2007 by Bariloche.

Hi,

We just have some discussion here about all-in bets and re-opening the betting in NL. The rules say that “a raise must be at least equal to the amount of the previous bet or raise”. Is there any difference in between pre-flop and after the flop.

In a tournament where went to play, the blinds were 2500/5000. Pre-flop, player A called, then player B (that was me in this case) called, player C to my left went all-in for 8000. The blinds folded and player A, who called before, also went all-in. My question is:

Is the all-in of 8000 re-opening the betting (this in case of pre-flop)?? The explanation of the casino was that the previous raise was 2500, the difference in between the SB and the BB, so the 8000 was a raise and re-opened the betting. Our explanation was that the BB is a bet and not a raise, so the minimum raise has to be the BB.

Now the same case but after the flop. The SB bets 2500, the BB raises to 5000, player A calls the 5000, player B (me) calls the 5000, and player C goes all-in for 8000. SB calls, BB calls and player A goes all-in. As the raise of player C is 3000 (8000-5000) and the previous raise was 2500 (5000-2500), player A can go all in now. Is this right??

Thanks in advance!

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