April 25, 2008 by John Pack.

It looks as though two of the most respected tournament directors have changed their rules on “show one show both”. Jack Effel of WSOP has apperently listened to the players commitie and done away with this rule. Jack McCelland of Bellagio recently at the WPT championship put the rule to a player vote. Overwhelming the players voted to do away with this overenforced rule. This rule had good intentions, but was certianly ineffective in avoiding needleing. I am glad to see directors listening to players, after all without players those running tournaments have no jobs.

Posted in Exposed Cards, Hand Discussion, Etc., House Rules Different from Standard, Proposed New Rules, Collusion, Cheating, Etc., Official Rules & Guidelines, General, Mucking, Dead Hands, Etc, Showdowns & Pot Awarding, Etiquette, Behavior, Play Procedures & Penalties | Print | 3 Comments »

April 18, 2008 by frenchflush.

Hello, let’s see about thoses classicals situations at the river:

1) A bets 500, B calls, A folds faces down immediatly (bluff), so B throw away his cards face down and go for the pot (both players agree this way): does the dealer must OBLIGE them to show the cards?

2) A bets 500, B calls, A folds faces down immediatly (bluff), B shows his cards and ask to see A’s cards (it’s his right for me … even if “rude”).

3) A bets 500, B calls, A shows his cards, B folds faces down (losing hand), A asks to see B’s cards (also his right for me … even if “rude”).

4) A bets 500, B calls, A says “full house”, B folds faces down (a flush) throwing his cards to the dealer that put it in the muck, B shows only a set (three of a kind … a sincere error from him), B says he had a flush … !? … (for me: error of the dealer who should have let the folded cards appart until the winner shows his cards and pot is pushed to him: so split!).

IN FACT THE QUESTION OF THOSES QUESTIONS SHOULD BE:

A) Do you accept a showdown looser to fold his cards faces down? 

B) If yes: do you oblige anyway the winner to show his cards if everyone else folded down at the showdown?

C) And do you keep the folded cards face down aside until the winner shows his cards and the pot is pushed to him without any contest from nobody?

GG 

Posted in Fouled Hands, Exposed Cards, Hand Discussion, Etc., All-In Bets; Re-Opening Betting, Side-Pots, Split Pots, Official Rules & Guidelines, General, Showdowns & Pot Awarding, Incorrect Pot Awards, Mucking, Dead Hands, Etc | Print | 3 Comments »

April 17, 2008 by bobthekiller.

This happened in my casino the other night.  Player A went all in  and player B called before the flop.  Player A showed JJ and player B mucked before the flop.  Should the dealer have intercepted the hand if possible and prevented player B from mucking.

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April 15, 2008 by LeScribe.

I don’t remember if someone told about that before in the blog…

During last September WSOP-E, in the Empire Casino, a player on the left of Annette_15 steals one of her chip that she pushes accidentally when applausing a great call against Kenny Tran.

 You can see it around 2′30 in this video :  

http://www.pokertube.com/ShowMovie.aspx?movieID=f6f4ea21-8a26-4b11-a4a1-d143c5babb37&comeFrom=Search&StartPage=1&pIndex=1&PageView=0&FreeText=World%20Series%20Of%20Poker%20Europe%202007&OrderBy=Latest

So, what is the possible penalty to give to the stealer ?

Is it possible to give back the chip to Annette_15 at this time ? Who could say exactly which value was the stolen chips ?

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April 15, 2008 by 52cartas.

Hi TD’s:

Last weekend I had my very first important tournamet with 3 different events and more than 300 participants in total, the Marbella Classic Poker, here in Spain.

I wanted to be sure I made the right decisions by asking you…

First situation:

We are on the river. Player A bets and B calls but A doesn’t realize about it and thinks the other guy folds so he throws his cards, passing the line. Inmediately he realizes that he is still in the hand and takes back his cards. Player B complained because cards had passed the line but I gave A the chance to play the pot which was finally won by him, as I thought it was an accidental fold and he realized inmediately and cards didn’t touch the muck nor the chips. Wrong or right decission?

Second situation:

Pre-flop. Player A limps in and B goes all-in. A asks for a chip-count and the dealer counts less than the real amount so A calls and shows his cards, moving the amount declared by the dealer through the line. Player B suddenly declares that he’s got more chips and that A hasn’t complete the bet, that A has folded his cards and the pot must be won by him (he still hasn’t showed his cards). Then A says that he will complete the bet anyway, moving the rest of his chips into the middle. B continues complaining, claiming the pot and shows pocket jacks, A has pocket kings. How I proceeded: I gave the call as good declaring A winner of the pot and busting out B as he had less chips but penalized A for showing his cards out of turn. I did so because I wasn’t present at that table when all this happened and I had to ask the dealer to explain the whole situation… Wrong or right decission?

Moving players:

Can a player moved from another table, to balance them, be two hands without play? I picked him from the u.t.g. position in the original table but, the available seats on the other table were just between the big blind and the button so, to preserve the order of the original blinds in that table he had to wait two hands to play…

Deal and chops:

Does exist any program or software to calculate the deals by chips at a final table? How do you proceed with them (the deals)?

Posted in Chaos: Sloppy Mgmt of Tables & Tournament, Fouled Hands, Exposed Cards, Hand Discussion, Etc., Gross Misunderstandings, Underbets, etc, Tournament Personnel, Equipment, & Venues, Showdowns & Pot Awarding, Dealer Errors, Bad Flops, Etc., Tournament Directors, Event Structure & Management, Etiquette, Behavior, Play Procedures & Penalties, Mucking, Dead Hands, Etc, Bets, Min Raise, StringBet, Fwd Motion, Act Out-Of-Turn | Print | 5 Comments »

April 13, 2008 by bill.buckley.

Situation.   Dealer starts to deal and burns a card.  Stopped before the turn card is turned because betting still taking place.  After betting is complete, dealer then burns another card and turns the next card (normally would have been the burn card for the river).  What is the correct action to rectify.  The card that should have been the turn card is easily identified.  (what if it could not be identified easily).

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April 13, 2008 by dsbartolo.

I’m a Dealer i have a situation that i believe needs assistance:  Every Wednesday we have No Limit Holdem in our 6 Table Poker Room.  When we get the second game players on first table are always concerned whether they are going to make the 2nd table a feeder game into the first game that begun.  Floor man are usually never consistent with there rulings. Usualy if the second table goes they will make the first table 10 handed then start the next one, but you never know with the players.  Sooner or later the main game will get short handed with no board and the 2nd table will be full.  Yesterday they began this Must Move on the Second Game in to the Main Game but we had husband and wives and players who enjoyed there seats in the 2nd game and did not want to move…..floor man said its must move……it got a little out of hand that players from 2nd game just left instead of moving …..one left cause she would be playing on same table with husband……… etc……what would you suggest would be a better outcome to solve this issue…..thank you for your time……….

Posted in Late Registration, Missing Players Etc, Poker Room and Casino Mgmt Issues, Empty Seats, Penalties, Clocks, Ejected Players, Tournaments vs. Single Tables, Tournament Directors, Event Structure & Management, Seating & Moving Players | Print | 2 Comments »

April 13, 2008 by yelims.

There is a practice I have seen at a couple of casinos that disturbs me. Opening a new table after the tournament has begun. The casino allows late entries up to the end of the first limit, and has a provision for alternates, can be seated for the first hour. They will make tables 11 handed to accommodate more players, (the normal is ten players to a table) but on occasion, have opened a new table when enough players walked in after the cards are in the air. Is this fair to the players that arrived on time, played through the blinds and possibly busted out already, or had a big chunk out of their stack? This whole table gets in late without posting blinds that would have been played if they where inserted into existing tables. I have searched for a rule on this and have come up blank. IMHO this is not a fair practice. Does anyone have thoughts on this?  

Posted in Official Rules & Guidelines, General, Late Registration, Missing Players Etc, Registration, Buy-Ins, & Awards, Tournament Directors, Event Structure & Management, Seating & Moving Players, TDA & this forum: Questions, Comments, Suggestions, Uncategorized | Print | 5 Comments »

April 12, 2008 by JustinFromTulsa.

I’ve recieved a few different answers for this one, so I thought I’d post it and see what input you have to offer.

5 players to the flop, flops out and everyone checks to the button. Button bets and it folds around to the last player. Before that player can act the dealer mucks the flop and starts pushing the pot to the bettor. You are called to the table and first ask the second player if he intends to call the bet, to which he sais yes. Ok. You now ask the bettor what the flop was and he doesn’t know so you ask the player that just called and he doesn’t know. You ask the dealer and he doesn’t know. You ask the table and no one knows (except one guy who sais he thinks there was a ten and a six). I have been told split the pot from some people and others say give them a new flop, don’t allow betting on the new flop and give them a turn card and resume action at that point. I don’t like splitting pots but I don’t like players putting money in the pot based on one flop and then just putting up a new flop that has zero potential for containing any of the original cards (cause they’re all in the muck). I’m sure this situation is unlikely to be duplicated, cause most dealers will push the pot BEFORE they muck the flop, allowing the second player time to act, but I’m curious what you guys think. In your reply please let me know if you’re giving cash game or tournament input or if you would do the same in both.   Thanks, J

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April 7, 2008 by lnufnu.

An incident came up this past weekend during a rather large tournament that I was directing.  A player (player A) made a rather large raise to a player (player B) who was the chip leader at the table.  Player B asked player A how many more chips he had left.  Player A did not answer and just sat there coldstone silent, not moving an inch.  Player B asked again and once more player A said nothing.  All of player A’s chips were clearly visible.  Player B then asked the dealer if he could get a count of the remaining chips that player A had.  The dealer was not sure if he was allowed to assist another player in this way so he called me over.  I made the ruling that the dealer was not allowed to count another player’s chips.  This upset player B and he told me that I was wrong.  Was I right, or was I wrong?  Thanks for your assistance.

Posted in All-In Bets; Re-Opening Betting, Side-Pots, Split Pots, Gross Misunderstandings, Underbets, etc, Chip Counts of Pot & Opponents Stacks, Showdowns & Pot Awarding, Mucking, Dead Hands, Etc, Dealer Errors, Bad Flops, Etc., Money & Chips, Bets, Min Raise, StringBet, Fwd Motion, Act Out-Of-Turn | Print | 4 Comments »