May 19, 2008 by monodono.

Recently I had a debate with another dealer, about verbal declarations & we got to “I bet the pot”, my friend said in tournament play you’re not allowed to declare “I bet the pot” because the dealer should never count the pot. I said the only exception is when a player verbally declares “I bet the pot” in which the dealer should count the pot and any bets that have been previously wagered to determine the size of the bet. (we play with bet line rules) What are the proper guide lines on this in the TDA ?

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May 19, 2008 by frenchflush.

I know you will think: “what a big mess” but this situation really happened in a big club (used to host the WPT): the “Aviation Club de France” and during the “Grand Prix de Paris” (link here : http://www.aviationclubdefrance.com/home_uk.html).

OK to make it simple: after a Break they close a table … player A (with 25000) find a ticket sending him to a new place with 50000 … A just seats & start playing … he plays 4 hands during wich he eliminate player X (famous) wich had let’s say 40000 … player A have now 90000 … then player B is coming back (late but it’s his right) from the break and claim for this seat (in fact the organisators really made a mistake with the ticket of A: he should never have been moved to this 50000 place wich really was the place of B) … the three players (together with X) call for the floor (poor man lol) … after half an hour of decisions:   PLAYER X IS DECLARED ELIMINATED (I agree) - PLAYERS A&B ARE SENT TO THEIR ORIGINAL SEATS (25000 & 50000) but on TV nobody understood what became the 40000 of benefits … we understood it was divided between A & B (???) … On my opinion: I WOULD HAVE RETIRED THE 40000 FROM THE TOURNAMENT (X would be eliminated but A could’nt get profit from a move made with another one’s stack!)!

Any idea?

GG

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May 19, 2008 by Rising300.

Ok, the blinds are 2000/4000, and they have been for at least 10 minutes. This is the final table of a $150 buy in tournament. On the river, player A leads out and bets 2000, and player B (the only 2 people in the pot) calls the 2000 quickly. The dealer says “whoa, you gotta bet the minimum, 4000″ The guy says he would not have called the 4000. It’s pretty clear we have to make Player A bet the minimum of 4000, but with player B do you:

A) make him call the 4000. “Sir, it’s everyone’s responsibility to know that the blinds are 2000/4000, and you cannot call a 2000 bet. You call the entire amount.

or

B) The 2000 stays in the pot, I will let you complete the bet to 4000 and call and have a chance to win, or you sacrifice the 2000 with no chance at winning the pot.

I suppose you can go either way, but I made him complete the bet to 4000 and he called it and lost.

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