August 29, 2008 by frenchflush.

Hello,

Let’s try to find a “regular” solution about this kind of case (knowing we will allways have to make special decisions):

NLH tournament - 5 players at the turn - pot 700 - player A goes all-in for 500 - B, C & D folds - A (forgetting E) throws his cards faces down in the middle - the dealer reach it quickly before it touch anything (to save it & give it back to A) while E is saying “I call” and push his chips in the middle - E pretend that A folded & ask for the floor … E made absoluely nothing meaning a fold befora A made his mistake … for information : A has the winning hand at 100% (E is drawing dead) …

For me the important point is that A is all-in (if not it would be more simple) … but I hate to have a player eliminated on a stupid error … anyway I’m ready to listen for some of your straight opinion with respect & apply it: should the players be protected or put into their responsabilities of adults … this is the real question!).

Your opinion ?

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August 22, 2008 by thornny.

a person announced an all in bet out of turn,  how is that handled??  I think that his verbal call stands and everyone must call his all in or fold??  any thoughts,  pls help

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August 18, 2008 by 0490.

Situation:  Friendly home tournament game.  Heads up play.  The flop is out.  Player A bets and Player B raises.  Player B turns around  to get his drink. Player A picks their cards up off of the table.  Player B turns around and sees no cards on the table and throws their hand into the middle.  Player A says thats a fold, with the cards still in front of their face.  Player B says , I did not see the cards and thought they were folded.  Player B’s cards did not hit the burn cards or anything else and were very clearly identifiable.  I grabbed them and said no it is not a fold because you had your cards off of the table.  I asked Player A to keep their cards on the table and I asked Player B to make sure of the action that has been taken before cards are thrown in.  I realize I should have immediately asked Player A to keep their cards on the table but I did not catch it this time.  The player had constantly been picking up their cards and had been warned many times.  There were some statements that in a casino that the cards would have been folded.  I just am not sure.  I feel like the best interest of the game was served because Player A did something that induced a bad move by Player B.  I really feel like Player A may have done it to try to get the action that was taken.  Good or bad decision??

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August 17, 2008 by lnufnu.

I was dealing a rather large Texas Hold’em tournament the other night and I ran into a huge mistake that I made.  The scenario was as follows:

Blinds were 25-50 (rather early in the tournament).  Player A (seat 9) was under-the-gun and has pocket Queens and raises to a total of 300.  Player in seat 10 folds and Player B (seat 1) calls (Player B has pocket 7’s).  Everyone else folds and player in seat 8 says to Player A, “Oh, you won the pot!”  I, as the dealer, listening to what player in seat 8 said and totally forgetting that player B had called, moved all the chips to player A and threw all the remaining cards into the muck pile.  Player B says, “Hey, I called.  Why did you throw the rest of the cards into the muck pile?”  Realizing I had made a huge mistake and that legal action had already taken place I took all the cards, including those that were in the original muck card pile (since there was no way that I was able to determine what cards were what), re-shuffled, and brought out a burn card and the flop.  The flop included a 7 and Player A’s Queens were cracked.  Player A went all in and, of course, Player B called.  Player A was eliminated from the tournament.

Was I correct, regardless of human error?  If not, please tell me the correct way to correct this “MAJOR MISTAKE!!!”

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August 11, 2008 by hobbit56.

I had 3 players involved in a hand, NLHE cash game. After the flop, Player A bets $75, a player between A and B with no cards says raise, Player B and C Fold. Players B and C cards were thrown together so there was no way to sort them out. I refunded player B and C monies and made player that announced raise put $150 in pot and awarded pot to Player A. Right or wrong?

Hypothetical qeustion. Player turns over 1 card after flop with 3 others in pot and then bets. What is proper procedure? Thanks

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August 7, 2008 by talisman.

Hello All,

First post here and would love some insight…Do other poker rooms have a specific rule that covers players being at the table for the duration of a hand to be eligible to win a pot?

Scenario — No laughing now….(cash game 5/5 NL 100-500 spread)Player A allin preflop with 9d10c called by Player B with KcKs. Pot size is about $200.

Both hands are tabled and dealer deals flop (lets say rags 2d 5d 5h) at which point Player A decides he cannot win and leaves the poker pit, and then the casino (exit is close by)…

Unobservant dealer is not even aware that the player has left, deals the turn (a diamond) and the river (another diamond)…and then ships the pot to Player B at which point it is noticed there are 4 diamonds on the board and the raggedy Player A 9d10c wouldve won the pot!

We have no specific Poker rule that states what happens but there is a Poker etiquette policy (which may or may not have any legal standing)which states players must be at the table for the duration of a hand to be eligible to win the pot.

We do have a get out of jail rule which says “In the event that a situation is not covered under the rules of Poker, then the casino managament will make a fair and equitable decision that protects the integrity of the game of Poker.

So Question……Who would win the pot?? Does a casino have a responsibility to keep the money that “wouldve” been won by Player A and make every effort to locate him.

Poker Supervisor decision was to give the pot to the only eligible Player at the table in this case was Player B even though he had the losing hand per se…The argument was that Player A had abandoned his hand and therefore any chance of winning the pot and soon as he left the Poker Room (of his own accord)

Thanks for any insight…

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August 6, 2008 by frenchflush.

Hello (the day I send you too much situations … just let me know! lol!),

Here is another balanced table situation:

Last 5 tables of a tournament (so balancing tables when a difference of 2 players)

Previous hand: seat 1 Button - seat 2 SB - seat 3 free - seat 4 BB - seat 5 UTG …

Seat 4 (BB) is eliminated … the only free seats at this table are then seat 3 & seat 4 …

A player arrives to balance …

Well … seat 2 Button (for sure) - seat 3 (the new player but SB or not?) - seat 4 free - seat 5 BB (right?) …

I know: (TDA rule 25: In flop games when balancing tables players will be moved from the big blind to the worst position which is never the small blind) … but why here? Why not make him pay the SB knowing that he just escaped from paying the BB at his previous table and that he will have a full round to wait for the next BB here?

GG

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August 4, 2008 by frenchflush.

Hello,

Here is again this typical situation:

Tournament - Two players left at the river: player A (on the left of the Dealer, place 1 or 2 and near the muck) raises … B takes is time and speaks a lot to try to guess A’s hand (but no move or no sound meaning a fold) … A imagining a fold (?) throws away his cards directly in the muck (!!!) … B pretend it’s a fold and claim for the pot (he had enought chips t pay the raise) … … … my ruling: because the amount was important for A (more than 50% of his stack) so for “the best interest of the game” and because for me a raiser can’t suddenly fold without being protected: I asked him for the exact cards and finded it quite quickly over the top of the muck: nearly the nuts! I gave him a warning (for playing out of turn creating a confusing situation) but exposed his hand alive while letting B decide to play free! Lot’s of complain from B … should I have killed A’s hand?

GG

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