Min. Bet when there’s an all-in for less than min ahead of you

6 Responses to “Min. Bet when there’s an all-in for less than min ahead of you”

1. JustinFromTulsa says:
   October 23, 2008 at 1:14 pm

   He can just call the 3000. He has all the usual options: call, raise or fold. In limit hold-em the rule is: facing half or more of a minimum bet he can call or raise, so in this situation he could call 3000 or raise to 7000. If the bet is less than half he can call or complete, so facing 1000 bet he can call 1000 or complete it to 4000. In no-limit he can do whatever he wants, call 3000, fold or make it any amount he has in front of him.

2. ramjet says:
   October 28, 2008 at 2:02 pm

   Thanks for that

3. frenchflush says:
   November 4, 2008 at 9:34 am

   Well: sorry but in no limit I desagree about this ” … or make it any amount he has in front of him.”

   After the flop if BB goes all in for 3000 in a no limit 2000-4000 round: anyone can raise it but at least up to 7000 (or more)!

   Imagine instead of 3000 the BB goes all-in with 100(!) … anyone can call him at 100 … or raise him at minimum 4100!

   But maybe it’s just what Justin was meaning … in this case sorry about my poor english!

   Best regards,

   GG

4. b_vegas says:
   November 26, 2008 at 6:27 pm

   3000 is the call. 1/2 bet rule does not apply to no limit.

   frenchflush says:
   After the flop if BB goes all in for 3000 in a no limit 2000-4000 round: anyone can raise it but at least up to 7000 (or more)!

   not anyone can raise. SB checked, so he has acted. if no one else raises, the 3000 is not a “bet” and therefore cannot be raised by someone who has acted.

   as to what amount constitutes a min raise, we have had many arguments about this.
   2 schools of thought are this:
   min raise is 7k (smallest possible raise of amount you are facing)

   the other is that 4k total is a raise, and here is the argument for this. in no limit, a full bet is required to open action, this is listed in teh tda and is not questioned, but if you say that 7k is the min raise, consider the following situation.

   player a bets 4k.(a legitimate bet) player B goes all in for 7k (not a full raise), player C goes all in for 10k (still not a full raise by definition because it is not 4k more than the 7). player d can now call the 10k with the knowledge that player a, who is now facing 2.5x his original bet cannot raise to protect his hand.

   so i think that in your situation 3k to call 4k is a “minimum bet” which would reopen action to all players.

5. ChicagoMike says:
   November 29, 2008 at 11:23 pm

   Just saw this thread so I’ll weigh in…

   I’d say the next person can either:

   A) smooth call the 3,000 OR raise it at least 4,000 for a total of at least 7,000.

   IMO in no-limit you cannot “complete the bet” to a total of 4,000 here.

   I can’t tell you where I’ve seen this, but from memory “all bets in no limit, including an all-in initial bet or an all-in raise are considered a ‘complete action’ and are not therefore subject to ‘completion’…”

6. Profire says:
   December 9, 2008 at 6:21 am

   If the big blind was all in for $500, and the blinds were $2k/4k would the minimum opening bet still be a call of $500?

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