January 3, 2009 by cpa-poker.

No Limit tournanment, player states “I bet pot”.  The TDA rules stipulate the dealer is not allowed to count the pot in No Limit games.  How do you proceed.   I would say count the pot the first time and give the player a warning,  or state that is an invalid bet, and he must state an amount.

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December 8, 2008 by Profire.

Hello,

This is my first post and i have been reading these things for a day!  I would like to pose a hypothetical situation and get others thoughts.

Firstly i have summised the acting out of turn rules and noted a difference in interpretation.

TDA
30 Verbal Declarations - Verbal declarations in turn are binding. Action out of turn may be binding and will be binding if the action to that player has not changed. A check, call, or fold is not considered action changing.

Roberts
10. Deliberately acting out of turn will not be tolerated. A player who checks out of turn may not bet or raise on the next turn to act. An action or verbal declaration out of turn may be ruled binding if there is no bet, call, or raise by an intervening player acting after the infraction has been committed.

NB: In Roberts Rules a ‘call’ is considered action changing.
If in a situation with 3 players - A (6000), B (5600), and C (12000).

A pushes all in. C Declares i will go all in too but out of turn. B decides to push all in as well.

Would you force C to commit to the bet under either of these rules?  Or would you consider the action has changed enough to allow C to reconsider. Given C now faces odds of 3/1 and if the pot is lost would be at a significant chip shortage.

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December 2, 2008 by frenchflush.

Well … during a live freeroll tournament with NO DEALER (but a big sponsorized prize pool and a record 1240 players in day one we made resently) this situation happened:

Players A B & C involved in a 50,000 center pot (A all-in at the flop)

Players B & C involved in a 20,000 side pot (at the turn)

We are at the river:

B (150000) checks … C (100000) says “I’m all in!” … then after a short time muck his cards thinking B folded (?) and forgetting A (!) (remember: no dealer and the muck s in the middle of the table) … so B fold his (weak) hand (without touching the muck) pretending to win the side pot has the last player alive! So immediatly C announced his 2 cards to all the table and finded it into the muck (!?) B contested that and called for the “Floor”!

My decision was (I’m absolutely not sure to be right : that’s why I’m telling the story here):

C made 2 mistakes : mucking his hand and searching into the muck (in theory his hand is dead) but B should have called the floor before acting. Another detail: the hand of C was winning the side pot but A was winning the center pot.

Because the tournament of C was depending on my decision and because B didn’t called the floor : I declared C lost the side pot but could keep his extra all-in raise!

In other word: HOW THE HANDLE A PLAYER GOING ALL-IN AND MUCKING BEFORE ANY OPPONENT REACTION?

GG

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November 19, 2008 by PurePoker.

Hi Guys,

been an avid reader of this blog for quite some time and thought I should post a couple of questions that I have run into over the last couple of months.

Guy in middle position declares All-In and places his remaining chips (about 10 pieces) on top of his cards and moves them towards the middle over the betting line. Guy on the Dealer button calls, Big-Blind calls as well, both have more chips. The bets are collected and the flop is layed out. While BB considers his options, suddenly the person all-in says: “Where are my cards?” The dealer realizes he has mucked the cards, because they layed on the wrong side of the betting line.
How would you rule?

Somebody on the table folds his cards so strongly, they fly into the cards of another player. The dealer cannot identify whoch cards where folded.
What is your ruling?

Somebody is playing aroung with his chips, holding a large amount in his hand. Suddenly he drops the chips in his hand and the fall into the stack of his neighbor. It is not possible to identify which chips belong to which player.
What should the TD do?

Thanks,
Denis
Pure Poker Lounge

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November 17, 2008 by pod_sp.

Guys help me out with this one.

The most bizarre situation happened to me recently at my regular freezeout game at my local casino. Mid tournament I was chip leader. I raise it up with KQsuited late position. I get one caller who had limped from early position. I noticed that this gentlemen had been drinking heavily and was quite intoxicated. He was also the only player at the table to have a very healthy stack besides myself. Flop comes 7 high, 2 diamonds. He checks, i bet, he calls. Im thinking im pretty much done with the hand. Turn pairs the 7 on the board. We both check. River comes a blank and he goes all-in for 8000, into a pot of about 7000 - but then IMMEDIATELY mucks his cards. He then reaches to retrieve his cards. I tell him his hand is dead but call the director for a ruling. He rules that because he pushed all his chips in and declared all-in whilst doing so before he mucked meant his hand was still in play. Annoyed at the ruling I ponder why he did it in the first place. I came to the conclusion that the way he played the hand and that he had been drinking he had a busted flush draw. I could afford a call and the pot was huge so I make the call with King high. He says “im done, im done” and again mucks his cards. I slam down my cards thinking I have made an amazing call with King high. He again retrieves his cards and shows he had pocket 6’s and his hand is allowed to stand. I ask the questions:

1. What is the ruling on him mucking his hand after declaring all-in?
2. What is the ruling on him mucking when I called his all-in the retrieving his winning hand?

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November 5, 2008 by coldtalk.

Tournament.Player A raise preflop 4000 chips on blinds 1000-2000. Only one player calls.The flop come out A,Q,4 and player A goes all-in 13 000. At the moment no floor or TD is present,and player B says that he is not folding and opens his cards holding AK. Player A makes a facial expression like : a great hand, a strong one. Immediately after that Player B says I call, but few other players objects and there is a bit confusion for dealer is that call by the rule and A opens his cards holding AQ. How to solve this situation?

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October 30, 2008 by thornny.

pls help,  came to the end of a hand,  two players left in hand,  each had the same hand,  easy  huh?? split pot??  then one player discovered he had been dealt three cards.  what happens???

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October 22, 2008 by ramjet.

Hi all. Hope someone can claify this situation for me.
Final table. Blinds are SB $2000 BB $4000. No raise preflop, 2 players limp, SB calls BB Checks.
After flop SB checks. BB goes all in for $3000. Here’s my question.
The next player calls, does he have to put in the $3000 or $4000?
There would have been 2 players still to act after this . He was made to put in $4000 then was given $1000 back when the other two folded. Was this correct?

Thanks in advance

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August 29, 2008 by frenchflush.

Hello,

Let’s try to find a “regular” solution about this kind of case (knowing we will allways have to make special decisions):

NLH tournament - 5 players at the turn - pot 700 - player A goes all-in for 500 - B, C & D folds - A (forgetting E) throws his cards faces down in the middle - the dealer reach it quickly before it touch anything (to save it & give it back to A) while E is saying “I call” and push his chips in the middle - E pretend that A folded & ask for the floor … E made absoluely nothing meaning a fold befora A made his mistake … for information : A has the winning hand at 100% (E is drawing dead) …

For me the important point is that A is all-in (if not it would be more simple) … but I hate to have a player eliminated on a stupid error … anyway I’m ready to listen for some of your straight opinion with respect & apply it: should the players be protected or put into their responsabilities of adults … this is the real question!).

Your opinion ?

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August 22, 2008 by thornny.

a person announced an all in bet out of turn,  how is that handled??  I think that his verbal call stands and everyone must call his all in or fold??  any thoughts,  pls help

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