July 18, 2008 by JustinFromTulsa.

We all know that players that come from a broken table can assume any position at their new table but here’s a situation that comes up from time to time that I have never heard a concrete rule about. 

Table #1 has 9 of 10 players left. Button is in the 10 seat, seat 1 is the SB, seat 2 is empty and seat 3 is the BB. Seat 3 goes broke and we break some other table. New players, from our other broken table, fill in the 2 and 3 seats. With the button in the 1 seat we have the following options:

seat 2 is the SB, seat 3 is the BB, and seat 4 is UTG again, or

seat 2 sits out, seat 3 is the SB, and seat 4 is the BB like he was supposed to be.

One option is easy and the other is more true but will get some grumbles from some players. Which do you prefer?

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July 15, 2008 by riv.

Hi,

This is my first post on this forum and first of all I want to say is that I really appreaciate this forum and have my big respect for all users and authors (sorry for my poor english). And these are my very first (but surely not last) questions:

1. Tournament. Blinds are 200/400. BB posts his blind with single 500 chip. Everybody folds, button calls and BB raises by putting another two 1000 chips without any comment (dealer doesn’t announce anything but a “raise” as well). Button reraises and BB folds but claims that he wants 100 back from his Big Blind 500 chip. How do you rule?

2.  Player A bets on every round of betting and player B calls. After the river player A bets, player B calls, player A immediately folds his hand which is mucked but asks to see opponent hand which is still retrievable. I wouldn’t let him see this hand because there was no sign of collusion and player A who was obviously bluffing wanted to take advantage to see opponent hand. But during WSOP 2008 Main Event they ruled to show winning hand. What do you think?

3. What’s your opinion about desicion taken on Brandon Cantu vs Nikolai Losev stringbet on Day 6 of WSOP 2008? Is there “rule of the table line” exist in LV and especially during WSOP?

Best regards,

riv

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July 10, 2008 by msto.

Can a player be moved from a broken table into the single big blind position (or would they move into the small blind)?

Example: Seat 1:Button  Seat 2:SB  Seat 3: BB

Seat 3 busts out of the tournament.  Seat 2:Button  Seat 4:BB.  Player “x” is moved from a broken table into Seat 3’s seat.  Would Player X be the SB or the single BB?

We have had several agruments over this situation and TDA rules only state that players cannot play between the small blind and the button.

HELP!

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July 3, 2008 by cpa-poker.

I play in a poker club and we argue over moving a player to an open sit from aonther table.

Below is the TDA rule:
In flop games when balancing tables, players will be moved from the big blind to the worst position (which is never the small blind).  The table from which a player is moved will be as specified by a predetermined procedure.  Play will halt on any table that is three or more players short.  In stud games players will be moved by position, (the last seat to open up at the short table is the seat to be filled

Some members of our club interpet it as the person who just was the big blind is moved into the worst postion at the new table, possibly being the big blind twice in a row.

Some argue that the next big blind ( the person who will be big blind if they were to play the next dealt hand) is moved to the worst postion at the next table.  

What is the definition of “in the big blind”.

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June 19, 2008 by coldtalk.

Tournament situation. Two tables both with six players playing and waiting to create a final table with ten players. Dealer is dealing the cards, small and big blind placed. At same time on the other table dealer is announced ALL IN, and for players at the same time get of the table to see the game, including the players from the blinds. Player who is UTG and next one folds immediately. The cards are folded from the players who are not at the table following the order. Coming to the SM and fold him to, took the chips and placed it front the BB. I must add that UTG and next one are fold soon as they get they both cards and seen them, so they are in the muck when the dealer is finishing of dealing.We have a rule which is: if the player is not at the table his hand is fold. But what about situation when we have only two present players at the table and they fold they cards when was they time to play. Is the hand of SM and BB also fold?Who then gets the chips? I am not sure what would be a general rule for this and what does the Robert’s rule says about situation like this and I would like an opinion about this also-if the all hands of players who are not at the table folded at the same time without to wait an order then is it possible for a player who is last fold and who is last also on the table to win the chips. Two players only at the table present. This all happened very fast. Please, what would be a general rule or is it a rule that if the no ones matches the amount can not win a pot.

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June 19, 2008 by bill.buckley.

Hi the TDA rules used to be pretty clear of who can play when moving from other positions.  It used to say A player being moved will be able to play if moved to any position other than between the dealer and the small blind. Hence he could play if he was moved into the button position, little blind or bing blind.  The latest rules for rules from roberts rule don’t specify this clearly but do say that a ‘new’ player can not sit down between the dealer and the big blind (the way it is written makes it sound like it is for people new to cash games).  What is the most popular rule for tournements?  Also if a person at a cash table and misses the big blind (stepped away to answer phone  or smooke), if he returns prior to his small blind will most places let him post 3 chips (small and big) and play from the small blind position (and then take the dealer position) or must he sit out the  small blind position and wait for the button to pass before posting the 3 chips (small and big blind).

Thanks

Bill

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March 19, 2008 by weazel.

I just spent 13 months deployed overseas, and there was a ton of Hold Em played.  The only problem with the rules came up when there was a discussion about button and blind procedures when one or both of the blinds are eliminated on a hand.  For example: if player A is on the button, B is SB and C is BB, and D is to the left of BB, and players B and C are eliminated on this one hand.  On the next hand, from what I understand, A would retain the button and D would be the BB, with no SB.  The next hand, A would retain the button once more, D would be the SB, and the player to his left would be BB.  After this hand, the button would move to D, and the button and blinds would continue as normal.  This is based on the idea that nobody will miss the big blind.

The opposing viewpoint provided by one of my friends said that the button will not be held by a player more than one hand in a row, due to him having the advantage of position more than one time in a row.  His method was to move the button to D, have D pay big blind along with the player to his left, and other players pay blinds for the next couple of hands until the blinds were caught up due to B and C leaving and creating that void to start this whole mess.

If anybody can point us in the right direction, please do so.  If this is specifically addressed in any rule books that you know about, please let me know.  The next buy in is riding on the resolution of this issue.  Thanks for any help anybody can provide.

wzl

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March 19, 2008 by cappy37.

In a tournament my dealer moved the button after a hand had completed and then a player moved the button again one spot ahead thinking he was helping.  So the button is now one spot ahead of where it should be.  The hand was dealt and significant action had taken place therefore the hand must be played out.  My question is, what happens to the button on the next hand?

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February 25, 2008 by frenchflush.

Hello,

Do you agree if: A is button / B is SB / C is BB … B is eliminated … X is arriving because of a closing table (not to balance) … B seat is the only seat free … X seat there and I make it:

X is button / C is SB / D is BB !

For me there is no reason in this case to have X wait for the button to pass BECAUSE PLAYER “A” ALLREADY HAD DURING THE PREVIOUS HAND THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE THE BUTTON (and to play at the best position).

In fact if B was still there, A, C and D would be now in this same situation: A as cut-off, C as SB and D as BB!

So X takes is seat and immediatly plays as the button BECAUSE IT CHANGES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR THE OTHER PLAYERS!

I ask that because so many people used with this internet eternal sentence “a new player can’t play immediatly at button or small blind” …

 Your opinion?

 GG

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January 1, 2008 by nestg.

So I was dealing a tournament and the button was in the 2 seat. The table was 10 handed and two seats were blind stacks. Both seats were paid for but neither player was in their seats. Player “A” was the small bind of 100 and was in the 3 seat. Player “B” was in the large blind and in seat 4. The rule in our poker room is that if a player is no “At his/her seat by the time the last card is dealt to the dealer button, they’re hand is dead.” In this situation everyone, including the button, folded to the dead blinds. I know this seems silly but it actually happened.

 Confused I called the floor as I was unaware of what to do since there was no eligable perosn to win the pot. I was unsure whether to push the pot to the dead big blind or refund both blinds as a “chop” like in a cash game. The floor ruled that the person on the button, despite the lack of paying attention was the last person to have a live hand and therefore should be awarded the pot. So the person who was on the button, who also did not have a hand, was awarded the 300 chip pot.

Online I have seen this happen and in this case Player B would be awarded the pot. Since they were in the big blind. Imagine if there were ante’s involved or it was later in the tournament.

How would this be ruled on in other poker rooms? Does any of the TDA rules cover this? Has anyone else ever seen this happen?

Thanks!

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