June 24, 2008 by frenchflush.

Hello, A friend of mine was playing a 2008 event when this happened to him:

Someone raised a pot going 3200 … my friend who didn’t noticed that (his own fault) said “1300″ (the amount he wanted to bet but under by more than 50% of the previous bet) … the floor came and ruled that my friend could choose between calling or folding BUT THE 1300 CHIPS WILL STAY ANYWAY IN THE POT!?!

I know this rule is applied in some casinos but didn’t know it was used in a major international tournament!?

 GG

Posted in Verbals, Gestures, & Actions: Bet Raise Fold, House Rules Different from Standard, Gross Misunderstandings, Underbets, etc, Substantial Action, Bets, Min Raise, StringBet, Fwd Motion, Act Out-Of-Turn | Print | 4 Comments »

May 26, 2008 by Rising300.

Ok, here is what happened:

I am called over, player A raises, player B grabs a stack of $25 chips, starts moving forward with chips to call this bet, and then really quickly Player C reraises, at this point, I’m sure he’s thinking “heck no” so he quickly pulls back his bet (which was about semi completed) and mucks his hand. I am called over.

The hand was mixed into the muck, so I said “well you made a motion to call, he is acting on behalf that he thinks you are calling, so I have to make you put in the $300″ However, I had him whisper his hand to me, and i looked in the muck, and found them to be the bottom two cards.

I don’t like to dig in the muck, but our rule says “if there is a misunderstanding, i can dig in the muck and retrieve a hand”. Player B kinda was the culprit here as he started to call, but didn’t drop say the last batch of greens, and then when player C reacts on it, he quickly takes it back.

I got lucky in this situation as his hand, the 8,5 of clubs were the bottom two cards in the muck. Did I open up a can of worms on this ruling? The dealer told me that he started to cut out chips, wasn’t quiet done and then quickly retracted.

Posted in Chip Counts of Pot & Opponents Stacks, Gross Misunderstandings, Underbets, etc, Bets, Min Raise, StringBet, Fwd Motion, Act Out-Of-Turn, Texas Holdem | Print | 3 Comments »

May 19, 2008 by monodono.

Recently I had a debate with another dealer, about verbal declarations & we got to “I bet the pot”, my friend said in tournament play you’re not allowed to declare “I bet the pot” because the dealer should never count the pot. I said the only exception is when a player verbally declares “I bet the pot” in which the dealer should count the pot and any bets that have been previously wagered to determine the size of the bet. (we play with bet line rules) What are the proper guide lines on this in the TDA ?

Posted in Gross Misunderstandings, Underbets, etc, Limit, No-Limit, Pot Limit, Bets, Min Raise, StringBet, Fwd Motion, Act Out-Of-Turn | Print | 9 Comments »

May 19, 2008 by Rising300.

Ok, the blinds are 2000/4000, and they have been for at least 10 minutes. This is the final table of a $150 buy in tournament. On the river, player A leads out and bets 2000, and player B (the only 2 people in the pot) calls the 2000 quickly. The dealer says “whoa, you gotta bet the minimum, 4000″ The guy says he would not have called the 4000. It’s pretty clear we have to make Player A bet the minimum of 4000, but with player B do you:

A) make him call the 4000. “Sir, it’s everyone’s responsibility to know that the blinds are 2000/4000, and you cannot call a 2000 bet. You call the entire amount.

or

B) The 2000 stays in the pot, I will let you complete the bet to 4000 and call and have a chance to win, or you sacrifice the 2000 with no chance at winning the pot.

I suppose you can go either way, but I made him complete the bet to 4000 and he called it and lost.

Posted in Gross Misunderstandings, Underbets, etc, All-In Bets; Re-Opening Betting, Side-Pots, Split Pots, Official Rules & Guidelines, General, Money & Chips, Bets, Min Raise, StringBet, Fwd Motion, Act Out-Of-Turn | Print | 1 Comment »

May 4, 2008 by Rising300.

Ok, so I hear a few Las Vegas rooms adopting a new practice on how to handle 4 card flops, and I kinda like it. We may do it here too in our big strip room.

If a dealer flops out 4 cards, instead of shuffling everything back in and many times getting the nowhere near the same flop, let’s take those 4 cards, give them a good scramble, take the top three, and plop them down as a flop. Then, that last card the dealer has will simply be an exposed burn card. This way there is a good chance that at least 2 of the 3 cards that would have originally come out do come back, and maybe even that would be the original flop.

It makes sense, let’s say a guy has AK, another pair of 9s, flop is all rags, but 4 cards, and then everything is shuffled back in, and AK all the sudden pairs on the “new” flop. I just think this method is more fair.

Opinions?

Posted in Fouled Hands, Gross Misunderstandings, Underbets, etc, Limit, No-Limit, Pot Limit, Dealer Errors, Bad Flops, Etc., Misdeals, Texas Holdem | Print | 4 Comments »

April 15, 2008 by 52cartas.

Hi TD’s:

Last weekend I had my very first important tournamet with 3 different events and more than 300 participants in total, the Marbella Classic Poker, here in Spain.

I wanted to be sure I made the right decisions by asking you…

First situation:

We are on the river. Player A bets and B calls but A doesn’t realize about it and thinks the other guy folds so he throws his cards, passing the line. Inmediately he realizes that he is still in the hand and takes back his cards. Player B complained because cards had passed the line but I gave A the chance to play the pot which was finally won by him, as I thought it was an accidental fold and he realized inmediately and cards didn’t touch the muck nor the chips. Wrong or right decission?

Second situation:

Pre-flop. Player A limps in and B goes all-in. A asks for a chip-count and the dealer counts less than the real amount so A calls and shows his cards, moving the amount declared by the dealer through the line. Player B suddenly declares that he’s got more chips and that A hasn’t complete the bet, that A has folded his cards and the pot must be won by him (he still hasn’t showed his cards). Then A says that he will complete the bet anyway, moving the rest of his chips into the middle. B continues complaining, claiming the pot and shows pocket jacks, A has pocket kings. How I proceeded: I gave the call as good declaring A winner of the pot and busting out B as he had less chips but penalized A for showing his cards out of turn. I did so because I wasn’t present at that table when all this happened and I had to ask the dealer to explain the whole situation… Wrong or right decission?

Moving players:

Can a player moved from another table, to balance them, be two hands without play? I picked him from the u.t.g. position in the original table but, the available seats on the other table were just between the big blind and the button so, to preserve the order of the original blinds in that table he had to wait two hands to play…

Deal and chops:

Does exist any program or software to calculate the deals by chips at a final table? How do you proceed with them (the deals)?

Posted in Chaos: Sloppy Mgmt of Tables & Tournament, Fouled Hands, Exposed Cards, Hand Discussion, Etc., Gross Misunderstandings, Underbets, etc, Tournament Personnel, Equipment, & Venues, Showdowns & Pot Awarding, Dealer Errors, Bad Flops, Etc., Tournament Directors, Event Structure & Management, Etiquette, Behavior, Play Procedures & Penalties, Mucking, Dead Hands, Etc, Bets, Min Raise, StringBet, Fwd Motion, Act Out-Of-Turn | Print | 5 Comments »

April 7, 2008 by lnufnu.

An incident came up this past weekend during a rather large tournament that I was directing.  A player (player A) made a rather large raise to a player (player B) who was the chip leader at the table.  Player B asked player A how many more chips he had left.  Player A did not answer and just sat there coldstone silent, not moving an inch.  Player B asked again and once more player A said nothing.  All of player A’s chips were clearly visible.  Player B then asked the dealer if he could get a count of the remaining chips that player A had.  The dealer was not sure if he was allowed to assist another player in this way so he called me over.  I made the ruling that the dealer was not allowed to count another player’s chips.  This upset player B and he told me that I was wrong.  Was I right, or was I wrong?  Thanks for your assistance.

Posted in All-In Bets; Re-Opening Betting, Side-Pots, Split Pots, Gross Misunderstandings, Underbets, etc, Chip Counts of Pot & Opponents Stacks, Showdowns & Pot Awarding, Mucking, Dead Hands, Etc, Dealer Errors, Bad Flops, Etc., Money & Chips, Bets, Min Raise, StringBet, Fwd Motion, Act Out-Of-Turn | Print | 4 Comments »

February 20, 2008 by 52cartas.

Hi all,

Situation: At the beginning of a “S n G”. The dealer brings the turn without burning a card. Nobody notes it, player A makes a bet and player B calls. Another player, not in that hand suddenly realizes that no card was burn.

Question: Are two actions considered “substantial action” here?

Thanks a lot.

Posted in Gross Misunderstandings, Underbets, etc, Substantial Action, Chaos: Sloppy Mgmt of Tables & Tournament, Dealer Errors, Bad Flops, Etc., Misdeals | Print | 2 Comments »