August 17, 2008 by lnufnu.

I was dealing a rather large Texas Hold’em tournament the other night and I ran into a huge mistake that I made.  The scenario was as follows:

Blinds were 25-50 (rather early in the tournament).  Player A (seat 9) was under-the-gun and has pocket Queens and raises to a total of 300.  Player in seat 10 folds and Player B (seat 1) calls (Player B has pocket 7’s).  Everyone else folds and player in seat 8 says to Player A, “Oh, you won the pot!”  I, as the dealer, listening to what player in seat 8 said and totally forgetting that player B had called, moved all the chips to player A and threw all the remaining cards into the muck pile.  Player B says, “Hey, I called.  Why did you throw the rest of the cards into the muck pile?”  Realizing I had made a huge mistake and that legal action had already taken place I took all the cards, including those that were in the original muck card pile (since there was no way that I was able to determine what cards were what), re-shuffled, and brought out a burn card and the flop.  The flop included a 7 and Player A’s Queens were cracked.  Player A went all in and, of course, Player B called.  Player A was eliminated from the tournament.

Was I correct, regardless of human error?  If not, please tell me the correct way to correct this “MAJOR MISTAKE!!!”

Posted in Exposed Cards, Hand Discussion, Etc., Fouled Decks, Missing Cards, etc., Verbals, Gestures, & Actions: Bet Raise Fold, Dealers Responsibilities, Errors, Partial Faults, Etc., Fouled Hands, Incorrect Pot Awards, Dealer Errors, Bad Flops, Etc., Mucking, Dead Hands, Etc, Chaos: Sloppy Mgmt of Tables & Tournament, Misdeals | Print | 1 Comment »

May 23, 2008 by pokerfish.

I was playing in a home tournament when the following occurred. I was in the cutoff, blinds at 200-400. 3 limpers from early position and then the player in the hijack seat limps. I make it 3,000 to go from the cutoff. As I look up at the dealer he has put the deck of cards on the table and is having a conversation with the UTG player oblivious to what is happening. The 3 early position limpers fold and the guy sitting across from the dealer, not realizing that the hijack seat has not acted yet, picks up the deck and deals out the flop and turn (rabbit hunting). I had A-Q in the cutoff and the hijack seat who had not acted turns up A-3. The flop was A-2-A and the turn was a 3. No one was sure what to do. I ended up pulling back my 3,000 raise and the hijack seat and I split what was in the pot from the blinds/limpers. Did we do the right thing? I can’t see how the hijack seat player could be allowed to put 3,000 in the pot and claim it after the flop and turn were dealt by another player rabbit hunting.

Posted in Official Rules & Guidelines, General, Fouled Hands, Exposed Cards, Hand Discussion, Etc., Chaos: Sloppy Mgmt of Tables & Tournament, Mucking, Dead Hands, Etc, Dealer Errors, Bad Flops, Etc., Etiquette, Behavior, Play Procedures & Penalties, Misdeals | Print | 2 Comments »

May 8, 2008 by frenchflush.

Hello,

Let’s try to find a ”final” method to rule the dealer worst errors. With “dealer error” I mean the dealer IS THE REAL & ONLY RESPONSABLE WITH THE ERROR and no help can be find with players being “not clear” or things like that!

Let’s go with the famous exemple: on a 6000 pot at the river player A bets 1000 - player B takes is time to act (while doing absolutely NOTHING wrong or nothing meaning a call) - the dealer announce “player B calls” (OBVIOUS ERROR FROM HIM for absolutely unknown reason) - so player A shows is hand (very good but no nuts) - player B ask for the floor because he wanted to raise … !!! ….

We allready treated this case BUT … I really don’t agree with the way it is usually ruled and MORE AND MORE  I decide to SPLIT the pot when the errors ARE CLEARLY coming from the dealers … here is why:  

Doing the error the dealer is clearly penalizing both players who are absolutely innocent and the “usual” ruling on this case allways advantage A or B depending of their hand at this moment. Let’s be more clear:

The traditionnal ruling would be to say that because B can’t play anymore with the advantage of knowing A’s cards … B is declared as only calling … so imagines the two situations:

If B has the winning hand … well … let’s say it’s ok because we can suppose A would have fold (so nothing change for him) or would have called the raise (would had been worth for him) …

If A has the winning hand … terrible for B who can argument (sincerely) that he would have BLUFF RAISE tho save his head on that situation … I REALLY CAN’T STAND SAYING TO HIM THAT THE BETTING ROUND IS SUDDENLY STOPPED BECAUSE OF AN DEALER ERROR … TAKING AWAY FROM HIM ANY CHANCE TO WIN THE POT ANYMORE! And don’t tell me about a “minimum raise permitted”: it would never work here as a bluff raise! In the other hand you can answer me that A would have paid any bluff raise from B ! … well … so …

I split the pot (and do it more & more often when the errors come ONLY & CLEARLY from my dealers)!

I will wait for your opinions with the usual respect but you know what? My method please a lot’s of people right here (even if they may look like ”no decision from coward floor” for anyone … lol!).

 GG

Posted in Fouled Hands, House Rules Different from Standard, Fouled Decks, Missing Cards, etc., Official Rules & Guidelines, General, Incorrect Pot Awards, Dealer Errors, Bad Flops, Etc., Mucking, Dead Hands, Etc, Chaos: Sloppy Mgmt of Tables & Tournament, Misdeals | Print | 5 Comments »

May 4, 2008 by Rising300.

Ok, so I hear a few Las Vegas rooms adopting a new practice on how to handle 4 card flops, and I kinda like it. We may do it here too in our big strip room.

If a dealer flops out 4 cards, instead of shuffling everything back in and many times getting the nowhere near the same flop, let’s take those 4 cards, give them a good scramble, take the top three, and plop them down as a flop. Then, that last card the dealer has will simply be an exposed burn card. This way there is a good chance that at least 2 of the 3 cards that would have originally come out do come back, and maybe even that would be the original flop.

It makes sense, let’s say a guy has AK, another pair of 9s, flop is all rags, but 4 cards, and then everything is shuffled back in, and AK all the sudden pairs on the “new” flop. I just think this method is more fair.

Opinions?

Posted in Fouled Hands, Gross Misunderstandings, Underbets, etc, Limit, No-Limit, Pot Limit, Dealer Errors, Bad Flops, Etc., Misdeals, Texas Holdem | Print | 4 Comments »

March 19, 2008 by cappy37.

A player came from a broken table and was seated between the button and the small blind.  My dealer dealt him in and realized it before giving him his second card.  One of our floor people ruled that that person is out of the hand and let the hand play out.  I would have called this a misdeal….my question is if there had been significant action does this hand get killed because the cards weren’t correct in the first place?

Posted in Official Rules & Guidelines, General, Fouled Hands, Chaos: Sloppy Mgmt of Tables & Tournament, Mucking, Dead Hands, Etc, Dealer Errors, Bad Flops, Etc., Misdeals | Print | 2 Comments »

February 20, 2008 by 52cartas.

Hi all,

Situation: At the beginning of a “S n G”. The dealer brings the turn without burning a card. Nobody notes it, player A makes a bet and player B calls. Another player, not in that hand suddenly realizes that no card was burn.

Question: Are two actions considered “substantial action” here?

Thanks a lot.

Posted in Gross Misunderstandings, Underbets, etc, Substantial Action, Chaos: Sloppy Mgmt of Tables & Tournament, Dealer Errors, Bad Flops, Etc., Misdeals | Print | 2 Comments »

January 26, 2008 by lincolini.

Dealer deals, first player to act raises, so action has occured. As this point the player on the button notices he only has one card. In this case the floor ruled that there was no reason not to give the player on the button his second card, and contine as normal. However, a player at the table was sure his hand is technically dead. I think the floor knew this, but simply decided in the friendly environment, there was no reason not to correct the simple error. My question then is this: what the floor right to allow the second card, and more interestingly, if they hand hand been declared dead, should the dealer burn an extra card, so that we have the natural flop turn river?

Posted in Official Rules & Guidelines, General, Fouled Hands, Chaos: Sloppy Mgmt of Tables & Tournament, Mucking, Dead Hands, Etc, Dealer Errors, Bad Flops, Etc., Misdeals | Print | 5 Comments »

November 20, 2007 by frenchflush.

Hello,

Wow: a hand is going on with 4 players still in and a big pot in the middle. After the turn: A bets, B raises, C calls & D calls then suddenly (before A can act) … B realizes that he has 4 cards (he still have his previous hand and nobody saw it before he tells everybody) !?!

Your advices?

GG

Posted in Official Rules & Guidelines, General, Fouled Hands, Chaos: Sloppy Mgmt of Tables & Tournament, Mucking, Dead Hands, Etc, Dealer Errors, Bad Flops, Etc., Misdeals | Print | 3 Comments »

October 20, 2007 by LeScribe.

The scene : a 30 players tournament, the final table, close to the bubble.

A player “A” is all-in with K-K, player “B” calls with A-7. The board is drawn, but the 3rd card of the flop (which is a 7) is burned and a 2 is drawned instead. 2 players not in the hand see that and say immediatly to the dealer that there is an error.
They switched the cards (burn the 2 and flip back the 7), draw the turn and the river… which was a third seven,making player “B” a trip of 7, and busting out player “A” of the tourney.

Of course, player “A” was very angry because of the dealer error and ask for the rule. I said that unfortunatly for him, 2 players out of the hand (and even a spectator) saw the dealer error, and that initially, the correct cards to draw was truly a 7 and not a deuce.
It was very painful, but I couldn’t change the board and he was busted out of the tourney.

Was I right ?

Posted in Fouled Hands, Official Rules & Guidelines, General, Chaos: Sloppy Mgmt of Tables & Tournament, Dealer Errors, Bad Flops, Etc., Misdeals | Print | 2 Comments »

August 8, 2007 by drneau.

I’d like everyone’s input on handling a situation where one player mucks his hand into another’s.

How do you handle it?  Why do you handle it that way?  Do you have a written rule on it?

Common practice seems that both hands are mucked…however I cannot find the basis for this rule in either the TDA rules or Robert’s Rules of Poker.

Posted in Official Rules & Guidelines, General, Fouled Hands, Chaos: Sloppy Mgmt of Tables & Tournament, Mucking, Dead Hands, Etc, Dealer Errors, Bad Flops, Etc., Misdeals | Print | 3 Comments »