June 30, 2008 by Deadman.

Hello,

 There was a bit of a disagreement at a recent tournament regarding exposure of cards with action pending. Clearly the TDA rules and Robert’s Rules indicate this will not result in a dead hand. However, players at the table, at least two of which had just come back from the 2008 WSOP early events, stated that the WSOP has now indicated that any card exposed (1 or both) with action pending, will result in an immediate dead hand.

 Typically, I follow TDA and Robert’s Rules for the games I run, as I feel that the televised nature and scale of the WSOP creates some need for unique rulings in favor of viewership. Regardless, I searched the WSOP official site to verify this, but everything I found indicates that the WSOP subscribes to the standard TDA ruling, as listed below. Can anyone tell me if there is something I am missing, or if perhaps they called an “audible” for this year’s events and in fact they are now ruling prematurely exposed cards a dead hand?

 http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/pdfs/wsop.tournament-rules.08.pdf

50. A player exposing his or her cards with action pending may incur a penalty, but will not have a dead hand. The penalty will begin at the end of the hand. All players at the table are entitled to see the exposed card(s), if requested. A penalty may also be imposed if a player throws a card off the table, violates the one-player-to-a-hand rule or engages in similar behavior. Penalties will be invoked in cases of soft-play, abuse or disruptive behavior. All penalties will be imposed at Harrah’s sole and absolute discretion, in accordance with Rule No. 51.

51. In its sole and absolute discretion, Harrah’s may impose penalties that include verbal warnings and missed-hand penalties. A missed-hand penalty will be assessed as follows: The offender will miss one hand for each player at the table, including the offender, when the penalty is given, multiplied by the number of rounds specified in the penalty. Tournament staff can assess one-, two-, three- or four-round penalties or disqualification. Players who receive a missed-hand penalty must remain outside the designated tournament areas for the length of their penalty. The player must notify the tournament staff prior to returning to their seat. Repeat infractions are subject to escalating penalties up to disqualification.

Thanks so much,

Deadman

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April 25, 2008 by John Pack.

It looks as though two of the most respected tournament directors have changed their rules on “show one show both”. Jack Effel of WSOP has apperently listened to the players commitie and done away with this rule. Jack McCelland of Bellagio recently at the WPT championship put the rule to a player vote. Overwhelming the players voted to do away with this overenforced rule. This rule had good intentions, but was certianly ineffective in avoiding needleing. I am glad to see directors listening to players, after all without players those running tournaments have no jobs.

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