December 8, 2008 by Profire.

Hello,

This is my first post and i have been reading these things for a day!  I would like to pose a hypothetical situation and get others thoughts.

Firstly i have summised the acting out of turn rules and noted a difference in interpretation.

TDA
30 Verbal Declarations - Verbal declarations in turn are binding. Action out of turn may be binding and will be binding if the action to that player has not changed. A check, call, or fold is not considered action changing.

Roberts
10. Deliberately acting out of turn will not be tolerated. A player who checks out of turn may not bet or raise on the next turn to act. An action or verbal declaration out of turn may be ruled binding if there is no bet, call, or raise by an intervening player acting after the infraction has been committed.

NB: In Roberts Rules a ‘call’ is considered action changing.
If in a situation with 3 players - A (6000), B (5600), and C (12000).

A pushes all in. C Declares i will go all in too but out of turn. B decides to push all in as well.

Would you force C to commit to the bet under either of these rules?  Or would you consider the action has changed enough to allow C to reconsider. Given C now faces odds of 3/1 and if the pot is lost would be at a significant chip shortage.

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June 24, 2008 by frenchflush.

Hello, A friend of mine was playing a 2008 event when this happened to him:

Someone raised a pot going 3200 … my friend who didn’t noticed that (his own fault) said “1300″ (the amount he wanted to bet but under by more than 50% of the previous bet) … the floor came and ruled that my friend could choose between calling or folding BUT THE 1300 CHIPS WILL STAY ANYWAY IN THE POT!?!

I know this rule is applied in some casinos but didn’t know it was used in a major international tournament!?

 GG

Posted in Verbals, Gestures, & Actions: Bet Raise Fold, House Rules Different from Standard, Gross Misunderstandings, Underbets, etc, Substantial Action, Bets, Min Raise, StringBet, Fwd Motion, Act Out-Of-Turn | Print | 4 Comments »

May 5, 2008 by wiredaces14.

I would like to know how this situation would be handled.

 Pot has been shipped to a player and before the next hand is dealt, the dealer realizes that there was a brown card in the green deck…hence making there a total of 53 cards in the deck.

 The dealer obviously calls the floor, what is your ruling?

 Same question if a player has a pair of suited 5’s, wins the pot then exposes them?  Same answer?

Posted in Substantial Action, Fouled Decks, Missing Cards, etc., Exposed Cards, Hand Discussion, Etc., Collusion, Cheating, Etc., Official Rules & Guidelines, General, Fouled Hands, Mucking, Dead Hands, Etc | Print | 5 Comments »

March 26, 2008 by frenchflush.

Hello pros (& Mike)!

Here are 2 cases of late request for rights … I know thoses situation allready had been traited but can’t we find a final & clear solution to manage it?

1) During any betting round of no limit hold’em: A bets 100 - B just think about what to do - C (forgetting B) calls - D  calls - E calls - then B finally react and ask for his right to play … I KNOW: the rule says that if 3 players or more acted after you, you loose your rights to act … but here what does it means?  DOES B CAN’T EVEN CALL? Is he definitively OUT OF THE HAND? (in fact what means EXACTLY the word “act”  here?).

2) During any betting round of no limit hold’em: A raises 500 - B folds - C folds -D folds - E is still in the hand but his cards are on the table behind his chips and the dealer don’t see it and declare A winner of the pot … so A throws his cards face down and the dealer mix it with the muck and start pushing the chips to A … before any chip of the pot was mixed to A stack, E react, says he still have a hand and calls for his rights! I KNOW: the cards of E should have been more visible … but do you definitively kill his hand for that or choose any average solution (like a split?)?

 TY

Posted in Substantial Action, Fouled Hands, Chaos: Sloppy Mgmt of Tables & Tournament, Mucking, Dead Hands, Etc, Bets, Min Raise, StringBet, Fwd Motion, Act Out-Of-Turn | Print | 5 Comments »

February 20, 2008 by 52cartas.

Hi all,

Situation: At the beginning of a “S n G”. The dealer brings the turn without burning a card. Nobody notes it, player A makes a bet and player B calls. Another player, not in that hand suddenly realizes that no card was burn.

Question: Are two actions considered “substantial action” here?

Thanks a lot.

Posted in Gross Misunderstandings, Underbets, etc, Substantial Action, Chaos: Sloppy Mgmt of Tables & Tournament, Dealer Errors, Bad Flops, Etc., Misdeals | Print | 2 Comments »